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    To: Athena [athena-discuss@info.harpercollins.com] From: Edward Kent [Ekent@brooklyn.cuny.edu] Subject: On 'Scientific' Racism Date: Sun, 12 May 96 13:11:00 EDT >From a libertarian list. I was banned from it after I argued a little too effectively, I imagine, on behalf of gun control. Ed Kent ekent@brooklyn.cuny.edu --------------------------------- Subject: Stanford U Scientist On Political Correctness in Freematt's Alerts??? Cc: CBRAND@afb1.ssc.ed.ac.uk, les@steam.stanford.edu [Note from Matthew Gaylor: I've been having an ongoing discussion with Les Earnest a computer scientist at Stanford University about intelligence. Mr. Earnest has some interesting comments concerning the controversy surrounding The 'g' Factor (Written by University of Edinburgh Psychology Professor Chris Brand . Mr. Earnest has expressed a concern that I have an agenda and I'm not being intellectually honest by not forwarding his posts.] Matthew Gaylor wrote to Les Earnest : Have you read his book? Les Earnest replied: Obviously not -- it hasn't been published. However, it is not necessary to dig very deeply into a publication that attempts to reach scientific conclusions about properties of racial groups without having a scientific method for assigning individuals to those groups. This is not a new issue, of course -- racists have been pretending to be scientists since that term became respectable. The Bell Curve was another book in this grand tradition. Even real scientists are able to suspend the scientific method when they get into racial studies. For example, Professor William Shockley, who was one of the inventors of the transistor, spent his declining years at my institution, Stanford, lecturing and writing articles about his racial theories, which were quite similar to Brand's and equally baseless. In the interest of maintaining academic freedom, the University allowed this to continue for a number of years before they finally asked him to confine his lectures to matters that he knew something about. -Les Earnest ### From: Les Earnest To: freematt@coil.com Subject: How many scientific racists are there? Reply-to: les@cs.stanford.edu Professor Chris Brand, who is displeased with John Wiley and Sons for failing to release his new book, proudly identifies himself as a "scientific racist." I argue that no one qualifies for that title so far. With a bit of work someone could become a scientific racist in the near future but I see no point in it. Who is a racist? For many years sociologists, government administrators and bigots, among others, have held the view that every person can be reliably assigned to a distict racial group. This belief has provided a basis for many studies and "scientific" papers that correlate race with such things as demographics, diseases or intelligence. It also has been enshined in various laws and programs in all levels of government and private enterprise in the United States under the name "Affirmative Action." Unfortunately for these laws, studies and programs, there is no scientific basis for assigning individuals to racial categories, hence all statistics on supposed correlations between race and some other property are clearly fabrications. This is not a new discovery. As Lancelot Hogben remarked 64 years ago [1]: Geneticists believe that anthopologists have decided what a race is. Ethnologists assume that their classifications embody principles which genetic science has proved to be correct. Politicians believe that their prejudices have the sanction of genetic laws and the findings of physical anthropology to sustain them. In the intervening years since that observation there have been many different racial classification schemes postulated by various governmental agencies, but they have been generally inconsistent with each other and none has included a scientific basis for deciding how to classify everyone. For example, racial classification schemes typically include "Black" or "African" or some similar term in their list races. This ignores the fact that many people with dark complexions who live in Africa are genetically closer to Europeans than than they are to certain other "black" Africans. In other words, any scheme that lumps together the very diverse African populations in a single race is patent nonsense. When it comes to mixtures of people from different geographic areas the picture becomes even more muddled. For example, slave owners adopted the policy that anyone who had even a tiny amount of African background was a "Negro," hence they were born into slavery. This classification policy was retained after slavery was abolished and is still recognized in American law and by "Black" organizers who would like to keep the population of prospective recruits as large as possible. I use the term "racist" to mean anyone who believes that every person can be uniquely classified as a member of a particular race. Based on that definition, I observe that there are many millions of racists in the world, but not one of them can reasonably claim to have a scientific basis for their classifications. Gathering data on correlations between "race" and other attributes is therefore pseudo-science. How to become a scientific racist Though none of the existing racial classification schemes has a scientific basis, as I pointed out some years ago [2], it is possible to construct a rigorously scientific classification based on DNA analysis. The basic idea is to choose a number of racial standards in terms of key DNA sequences and then classify individuals according to the standard they are closest to. Of course, the results would be quite different from the pseudo-scientific studies that have been conducted to date. If someone were to develop a rigorous racial classification scheme based on DNA metrics, he or she could reasonablly claim to be a "scientific racist." I expect that one will appear eventually, given the amount of foolish interest that exists in this topic. However, I would not recommend that anyone waste their time on this project unless they have a political agenda like those of the politicians and pseudo-scientists who have provided us with race-based studies and government programs so far. References [1] Lancelot Hogben, ``The Concept of Race'' in Genetic Principles in Medicine and Social Science, New York, Knopf, 1932. [2] Les Earnest, "Can computers cope with human races," Communications of the ACM, Feb. 1989. Also available as ASCII text file at ftp://steam.stanford.edu/les/mongrel/ ### **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-20 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 **************************************************************************** ---------------- To: athena-discuss@info.harpercollins.com From: Emiliano Zapata [zapata@together.net] Subject: Affirmative Evidence Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 00:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Dave Meadows: (Evidence for the truth of his assertion that affirmative action programs are "wiping out" white male privilege [and fairness] in academia) "My evidence for this is that every advertisement for a job in classics (and other fields) ends with a line to the effect "X institution is an equal opportunity employer; women, minorities, and handicapped persons are especially encouraged to apply." ********* eZ: And the national employment data and hiring statistics substantiate this [Archie] Bunkerism? (Sorry to act like such a "biker". But the clientele at this dinner brings it out in me from time to time.) ********* Dave: "The evidence for this is that if I apply for a job and my primary competition is a woman or a member of a visible minority, all other things being equal, I'll probably not get the job." ********** eZ: Solid. Let's make national policy on this one. *********** Dave: Yes, evidence will prevail -- but that evidence has to be evaluated properly and that means doing some basic source criticism; *********** eZ: Here! Here! *********** *********** Dave: .. at the same time I also fear what effect the prevailing of evidence will have on the `self esteem' of certain groups [read my note to pkm about the anecdotes both in Roth and Lefkowitz about AfroAmerican students who realized they had been fed a load of hogwash by their afrocentric profs -- what effect did that realization have on their self esteem?].... *********** eZ: Boo-hoo. Sniff. Sniff. Those anecdotes...sniff, sniff, .... so "touching"... yet so convenient! However, Lefkowitz et al did not write the book on calling out hogwash on matters arising in academe about Africa and African studies. Ani does a decent job of pulling together a critique of some other swinegargle put out by the "good guys" which, when it was sacked by PanAfricanists, was not the subject of a booksale blitzkrieg. At what point do we discuss how legions of students in Amerikkka, including the former students now in the ranks of the professoriate, *believe* in the Eurocentric myths of 1) universality and, 2) objectivity. When do we discuss the dominant culture's belief system which holds that scientific study in the EuroAmerikkkan tradition is conducted with *absolute* detachment between "knower" and "known"? When do we discuss the camouflaged ideological power of scientific study in the EuroAmerikkkan tradition which presents itself as apolitical, without perspective, and therefore qualifies *Scientism* for elevation as an unquestionable morality, in and of itself, for the entire universe? When will this list discuss the challenge presented in 1970 by African and African American members of the African Studies Association which called out the then 12 year old organization as being "fundamentally invalid and illegitimate"? And how will that discussion influence the position of Lefkowitz et al as the saviors of universal scholarship? Especially since, even back in 1970, scholars such as Dr. John Henrik Clarke lowered the boom on what *white* scholars were doing under the guise of "Academic Free[fief?]dom": "African peoples will no longer permit our people to be raped culturally, economically, politically, and intellectually merely to provide European scholars with intellectual status symbols of African artifacts hanging in their living rooms and irrelevant and injurious lectures in their classroom....We suspect that this is a new area of academic colonialism and that it is not unrelated to the neocolonialism that is attempting to reenslave Africa by controlling the minds of African peoples." (Negro Digest, 1970). For a detailed contemporary afrocentric treatment of the subject of controlling the minds of African peoples, see Amos N. Wilson's_Falsification of Afrikan Consciousness: Eurocentric History, Psychiatry and the Politics of White Supremacy; Afrikan World Infosystems, 1994. (0nly $9.95 Bernardo!) ---------------- Message: 739 To: athena-discuss@info.harpercollins.com From: Emiliano Zapata [zapata@together.net] Subject: Predictable Discussion Dynamix/White Code Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:54:07 -0400 (EDT) For those interested in how whites can be perceived on listservs that include discussions about racism/supremacy...it plays out everywhere regardless of discipline, educational level, economic class, method of cooking.... *********** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Emiliano Zapata [zapata@together.net] To: Multicultural Education Discussion [MULTC-ED@UMDD.UMD.EDU], Cc: django9@aol.com, kelzz@aol.com, bear@lainet.com Subject: White Code to an American Japanese Brother I am continuing to "break it down" for the interested ones among us. This post from "Jeff" is to Brother Daren. Now Brother Daren is a warrior out in Indiana trying to do the anti-racist work he is so talented at doing. He is, as some people say in colonialspeak, "a resource" on issues of Asian American oppression. Check him out sometime. The Brother is deep. (Yo D, wasssuppp?!?) DECODING PROCESS BEGINS.... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:30:10 -0400 From: Jeff Higgins [HIGGINS@ACES.K12.CT.US] Reply to: Multicultural Education Discussion [MULTC-ED@UMDD.UMD.EDU] To: Multiple recipients of list MULTC-ED [MULTC-ED@UMDD.UMD.EDU] Subject: Re: Hey, People!!! Daren, CODED MESSAGE (from "Jeff") I don't see any need or place for the hatemongering thread that consumes this listserv. DECODED MESSAGE: In my sanitized view of the world, Daren (an American Japanese), when *you people* of color speak about freedom and justice I will impose the majority (reads 'white') view that *you people* of color are so filled with hate that you cannot accept all of the *good work* we are *trying* to do to make the world better for *all people* (reads 'white'). We are allowed to put post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post on this listserv about our *good work* but you will not be allowed to tell *us* (reads 'white people') that our thinking "consumes this listserv". *We* feel so strongly that we are right (reads 'white') that we will tolerate it only so long before *we* will do what *we* always do: complain to the listowner that *you people* of color are dominating the list with hatemongering so you should be removed. Got it?!? *We* are the only ones who determine the terms and conditions of discourse, remember?!? CODED MESSAGE: In subscribing, I hoped for a discussion which would focus on honing educational techniques and sharing experiences in wiping out the beast of racism. DECODED MESSAGE: One more time: *we* (reads 'white people') set the terms of the "discussion". What I want from you, Daren, is to accept me completely in terms of the here and now and do not ever expect me to be accountable for my racial identity construction. All that matters is that you assume that I am not racist so my denial is not challenged in any way shape or form. I am not a nazi so I am not racist. There. That's simple enough isn't it. So let's just ignore the fact that as far as your experience of the world is concerned you have every reason to assume that I am not going to practice white supremacy as I *educate* your people about the *beast* of racism, that I do not have to develop an analysis based on the social reality of the *targets of racism*, that I am not in any way connected to a racial group which is historically tied to the creation, maintenance, expansion, and refinement of racism. Remember! All *we* have to do is treat each other like *human beings* as defined by *us* (reads 'white people). CODED MESSAGE: Instead, my mailbox is filled with diatribes against white man and the short-sighted blanket dismissal of my country, "Amerikka". DECODED MESSAGE: Everything that calls *us* out will be dismissed. We are entitled to carry our racist baggage anywhere we please and you have to accept it. To link the Land of the Free with race oppression is wrong because I am not like the KKK even though I benefit from the legacy of extra-legal means of controlling people of color in this country, and do "zero-zip-nada" to undo that legacy. What you should be satisfied is knowing I am a good person, that I love *my country*, and that you would too if you would just "lighten up". There is no such thing as *white people* because we are just *individuals* who do the best we can. Capice?!? CODED MESSAGE: In other words, much energy seems to be expended in propogating racism and the community's attention is drawn away from the critical task of teaching others how to share in and marvel at the great societal contributions and potential of all people. DECODED MESSAGE: I can blame the victims of white supremacy for spreading racism. Therefore, you and that Emiliano guy should stop talking about it because all you are doing is making the problem worse. Don't pay any attention to the fact that my response to people of color speaking out against the *ideological power* of what *we good people do* (reads "white people") is intended to cast dispersions on your resistance to racism. I am ordering you to think like us and *beleive* that even though *we* (reads, 'white people) cannot even define racism in a way that does not disempower people of color, that even though we cannot even think about the remote possibility that we are members of a racial group which has a culture based on privilege, that even though we need daily, moment-to-moment affirmation from people of color (reads 'neocolonial social servitude to white people)....I am ordering you to believe that all we have to do is "hone" our skills. After all we are the only ones who truly know what we are doing. Got it?!? Now, I expect you to tell me about all of the *good work* your people have done in this world... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECODING ENDS... A response to Jeff.... Jeff: You might disagree with the ways and means of what I do and how I do it. You might be a subscriber to the Nike philosophy ("Just do it!) and are reluctant to take on the responsiblity to transform your racial identity *while* trying to continue your work. But let me say this directly: if you don't then what you are depriving your students of is beyond measure...because they will have missed the chance of learning what the real struggle is about in a very personal way: affectively from their teacher. It is about more than methods and information...you must interrupt the creation of "white people" that is going on in your classrooms...that is the bottom line about the "beast"...ya gotta stop feeding it the young ones. The real shame is that the students of color have to either endure this in your classroom or succumb to it. The ones with alert parents will help their child resist it, but then again we are all not conscious of what you and your ilk do and how it is being done a little bit at a time under the guise of "multicultural education." eZ *----*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* ---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*- Anthony J. Chavez 131 Main St. Suite 607 *FIRST CIRCLE* Burlington, VT 05401 Race & Culture Education zapata@together.net Resources Group Home of Chihuahua Press ---------------- To: athena-discuss@info.harpercollins.com From: "Raymond A. Winbush" [rwinbush@usit.net] Subject: Concerning Amerikkka Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 20:38:48 -0500 FISHERGM@jmu.edu wrote: Isn't there a better way to move forward > than by way of anger and hatred, and the reactions that > such anger and hatred generate? > > Gordon Fisher fishergm@jmu.edu snip> Gordon, Please keep in mind that persons of color have *always* made cynical remarks about Amerikkka. Here are just a few: Billie Holiday's famous blues song entitled "Strange Fruit" which was a metaphor of Blackpeople hanging from trees as a result of lynching. another: "Amerikkka: Land of the tree, home of the slave". A phrase used quite commonly during Freedom Summer, 1964 in Mississippi another: The United Snakes of Amerikkka. A phrase currently being used by many hip-hop artists. another Dixie Man to Uncle Sam by Langston Hughes "How can you Shake a fist at tyranny Everywhere else But here? Do you not see? I, too, in Dixie Stand in need Of being free: Jim Crow's Too Hitler-like For you--- Or me." Amerikkka has always been a fickle lover to Blackpeople. It should come to no surprise that it is reflected in what some call the blues idiom. In one sense, Afrocentricity is an extension of that idiom in that it challenges (and shall continue to do so) the very foundation upon which white supremacy derives its "legitimacy"--- a misguided view of history. Will Afrocentrists make mistakes in doing so? Definitely. Will we be quick to rectify them? Most assuredly. Will we let diatribes like Lefkowitz and others hinder us from talking to *our* people? Absolutley not. Our people believe us because they know that we act in their best interest in searching for their history and cultural contributions. They also know that only on very rare occasions have white people taught Black children in ways that will encourage them to learn science, math, history and art. Afrocentricity is a transformational ideology, and is unifying in its ideological perspective for Blackpeople. As the decline of the white western world continues, persons of color will continue to provide their cultural, spiritual and intellectual offerings to a world gone mad in its relentless pursuit of control over people, the environment and the very universe itself in what it calls "science". Peace Ray Winbush Fisk University ------------------- To: dakaufman@JTSA.EDU From: "Raymond A. Winbush" [rwinbush@usit.net] Subject: Re: JW's Racist Trot (fwd) Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 16:34:52 -0500 Daniel, P-U-U-U-H-H-L-Z-E-E-Z-E! If you truly cannot answer any of your questions below, and if your statements emerge from absolutely sincere ignorance, I suggest that you rush to your nearest university and sign up for an introductory course in Black Studies. And to my fellow Afrocentrists on the list: It is abundantly clear that we have struck a major nerve among those who are defending the bulwarks against the "Black tide" of Afrocentric thought. We must be on to something... I deleted Bernard's post after I read it, but if you're still out there Bernie (and I'm sure you are) the reason for "changing the subject" is not a sign of retreat but an admission (at least on my part) that energy devoted toward (re) educating white folks about their past is an enormous task that frankly I gave up a long time ago. I would much rather spend my time teaching my children (the ones whom you are worried about that will be "misled" by me and other Afrocentrists) about their past in a world that continues to eat away like acid at their sense of self-worth. I leave you with this: When asked by a reported what he thought of "Western Civilization", Mohandis Ghandi replied, "I think it would be a very good idea". I agree. Peace out, Ray Winbush Fisk University United States of Amerikkka dakaufman@JTSA.EDU wrote: > > Although I am no longer posting to the list, I have been reading the > postings. Yours have been amongst the strongest and most emphatically > put. They also seem to be the most loaded with vitriol. I just have several > questions I would like to ask you. > > 1. Who, exactly, are the 'whites'? > > 2. Followup on 1.: What is it that they have in common such that there > is a point to referring to them all under the name 'white'? > > 3. Who are the 'people of color'? Followup: What is it that they have > in common such that there is a point to lumping them together under > that name. > > 3. Is the way that 'whites' have mistreated blacks in the past and > present worse than or the same as the way blacks have mistreated one > another, for example, in Rwanda? Why? > > 3a. Corrollary to 3. Are there better and worse reasons for mudering > people? Is it worse to murder someone for his race than to murder him > for his land or because you don't like the way he looked at you? > If yes, what is the justification for this ranking? > > 4. Could you imagine any circumstances under which you WOULD NOT call > someone a 'racist' for opposing either your views or the aims of > afrocentric scholarship? What would be those circumstances? > > 5. In light of 4., do you think that you are being intellectually open > and generous? That is, are you willing to admit at least the good > faith of your opponents, if not that perhaps sometimes they are correct > and their arguments valid? If not, why do you bother to engage > them at all, if there is no possibility of them persuading you? > > Just wondering. > > Daniel Kaufman --------------------- Message: 821 To: athena-discuss@info.harpercollins.com From: ldunn@rover.bsd.uchicago.edu (Lawrence Dunn) Subject: denaturing whiteness Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 22:34:33 -0400 (EDT) cathy, that lynching picture i sketched, the people in the striped uniforms hung backwards by thier tied wrists, those were jews cathy, i perhaps should have been more specific in my description when my main point was that compassion has no limit (they were not being lynched, it was slow death instead) it is limited in such statements like that of willet steven when he subsumes a really stupidly patronizing dammable guise and spews: "1. Neither blacks nor other minorities are going to abandon the good old UkkkS anytime soon for better situations elsewhere, certainly not for anything in Africa now or the indefinite future. " this use of language does nothing and says nothing but causes division. it dangerously assumes that he is nonminority and that he knows what he is talking about. and it is not the way of an informed and compassionate individual unless you are white and lost in japan somewhere in which case i suggest one be weary of the japanese, watch them because they will not take such racial baiting. the purpose of this list in exposing the backward minds of such white interlopers is very educational: they dress themselves down to who's going to win on the pyramids argument, when what we are speaking of is a bit much more important than "minority" can askew i suggest a good reading of cornel west, discover as systems of knowledge become humanized that there is also an unabashed continuity of knowledge; beginning in africa so i suggest to those of you who ask us for solutions: begin by denying whitness begin by denying minority, stupid appellations and take some time and think what about what i say alas, i am really enjoying the erudited pleasures of the information coming across. in earnest this is a good list and it reflects the machinations of the consciousness of contemporary america. we need it. we need to see ourselves naked and hanging on falling clifts. we need to see the nakedness of our banging together against each other. this kind of blood is real and it is a growing up blood. do not worry cathy, it is good. we see and find out how we handle balances and the new extents of knowledge. we can see here that there are dreaded struggles going on in academia. we can also see the direct application of these struggles, e.g., in contemp pedagogy very soon i look forward to the disclaimer "white" removed from our lexicons and all such subjects forced through a bataan cleansing rite in japan (how long do you think our friends going to forget the bomb), and then together in a dionsysian rite we all hold hands and bask in the sun of a proud asskicking egyptian african sky right here in street-in-your-face amerikka larrydunn ---------------- To: "Kelly B. Keller" [kelzz@casalatina.org[ From: "Raymond A. Winbush" [rwinbush@usit.net] Subject: Re: Kindergarten Revolutionaries Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:25:47 -0500 Kelly, I must say this is one of the most honest confessions I've ever heard a Jew make relative to white skin privilege. Very interesting. Peace, Ray Winbush Kelly B. Keller wrote: > we (jews) have become some of the greatest gatekeepers of the > euroamerikkan way (ok daniel, come and get me... i know this is going to > piss you off) because we have had to give up much of who and what we are > in order to succeed here; we have become white. yes, we are jewish, but > we have now also become part of that larger collective of white people > who have had to move further and further away from the strong cultural > ties that have, in the past, helped us to survive (i don't discount that > there are individuals and families and communities that have remained > closer to jewish life... but if one looks at much of the distancing and > rejecting of connection to judaism/jewish culture occurring especially > amongst young jewish people, there is a dangerous and sad trend. i > believe it's a manifestation of self-hatred, something that folks > learn/pick up from their surroundings which gives them the feeling that > being jewish ain't such a great thing...). anyway, that's what the > "ballot box" has supposedly given us. ----------------------- To: "Steven J. Willett" [steven@u-shizuoka-ken.ac.jp], From: tpowers@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu (Tom Powers) Subject: Re[2]: The identity fetishists view of pedagogy Date: Thu, 23 May 96 15:39:15 EST """""""""""""""""""""Steven J. Willett wrote"""""""""""""""""""""""""" 3. Every country has a primary duty to teach its cultural heritage. That's what every country I know about does in fact. This duty should not be subverted to teach identity or selfesteem. Selfesteem really comes from mastering the hard, basic knowledge and techniques with which one can actually do something creative. There are no shortcuts. The idea that selfesteem can be injected into the student with an infusion of imagery, distorted history, encouraging hype and promissary redemption from the "white power structure" is about as bankrupt as they come. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""end quote""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The history of history in the United States has been, until the twentieth century (and even for most of that) little BUT feel-good, self-esteem, identity politics for white Euro-American males. Why suddenly is it illegitimate to use cultural heritage studies as a means of injecting self esteem? The entire purpose of teaching a cultural heritage, as it has been applied in the U.S. at least, is to inject self-esteem and build a sense of identity, or, to use a more politically correct phrase, "to instill pride in being a citizen of this country." The very criticisms of the National History Standards vented on the floor of the US Senate (and in an infinite number of other speeches and publications) is that they were insufficiently identity-oriented -- that is, oriented toward the traditional white male identity which identifies the American Cultural heritage with white Euro-American males and little other -- and that they tended to portray Our Country in an insufficiently favorable light. Too few heroes! Trashing our Myths! Too much on the KKK and not enough on Thomas Edison! How can you observe this, and then make the above argument with a straight face? Imagery, distorted history, and identity politics have been the primary means of the transmission of the American cultural heritage! There has been, until the past few controversial years, little attempt to teach the cultural heritage of this country. There has been every attempt to teach one segment of one of the cultural heritages of this country: that segment which, in good Homeric fashion, honors heroes who lead armies or conceive Great Ideas, and which, partly as a consequence, has found little to admire beyond the White Male model. A frequent criticism of those who accomplished something beyond that paradigm was "what did they ever accomplish? No Negro ever [led an American army, built a multibillion dollar business, whatever] and no woman ever [again, whatever the Homeric Pattern said was admirable.]" No matter that the statements themselves were not always accurate. By restricting the definition of "accomplishment" to those things consistent with the Homeric Heroic image, the vast majority of human experience and accomplishment was dismissed. No matter that the pattern was preserved by allowing exceptions. Even when a woman or a black was permitted into the pantheon, it was one who followed the same pattern: Joan of Arc was worth remembering because she acted like a general; Molly Pitcher because she fought like a man; Martin Luther King because he led an army of another kind. And I have already pointed out how the images of Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver were used for that same purpose. Why is it that myths and heroes are so important to our national cultural heritage that National History Standards must be castigated for omitting them; but myths and heroes are inappropriate as part of our national cultural heritage when they don't fit the White Euro-American Male model? Steven, I'm afraid the facts prove exactly the point you're trying to deny. Your point on self esteem also misses a point. Self esteem sometimes comes from identity. Even if you have nothing else of which to be proud, at last you can say you're an American, and America is the greatest nation on earth! (Or whatever other country or club or baseball team or leader or religious movement you wish to identify with.) You can draw self-esteem, not from your own hard work, but from your identification with a family, a tradition, a country, a faith. That's why you might find yourself willing to die for them, and why the honor of your country or family or school is so important. Merle Haggard is far from the only person to feel personally affronted when a symbol of his personal and group identity, a national flag, is trashed. This country has even seen a movement to amend our Constitution to ban the burning of an American Flag, because it's a symbol of who and what WE are, and of our pride, and because so many Americans took it as a PERSONAL attack on themselves when anyone trashed the flag. Identity is very much a part of self-esteem. Burn the flag of my country, and "you're walking on the fighting side of me." I concur that self esteem can also be also drawn purely from individual accomplishment -- and indeed, that kind of self esteem is, in my view, far the most healthy kind, needing the approval of no other group or person. But it is not the only kind, and there are many people in the world today for whom such "master of my fate, captain of my soul" self reliance and self creation is but a meaningless and bitter mockery. That is exactly why identity politics is such an important issue in the controversy over cultural heritage. That is also exactly why so many conservative forces, inside and outside the academy, insist on defending the intellectual paradigm which validates their own identity politics, while attacking those which might validate others and perhaps cast doubt upon the superiority of their own. Much is predicated in your post, Steven, upon the presumption that an individual is sufficient unto himself. That's the great ideal of the Homeric Hero, and evidence of the enduring influence of that part of Greek culture upon male Euro-American culture today. The so-called mainstream of American esteem honors the man (almost always a man) who is truly independent, and is saddled with no shackles or responsibilities beyond those he freely chooses for himself. Archilochus personified and reborn! John Wayne! Natty Bumpo. But most of us live different lives. Most of us are born into families, communities. Most of us owe much of what we are to parents, friends, and role models. Most of us are anything BUT "sui generis." And wasn't it that great Greek philosopher Aristotle who declared that he who could live alone without a community might be a god or a beast, but surely could not be a man? I would argue that self-esteem has many roots. It can also come from service to others. It can come simply from the assurance that one is loved by an esteemed other. It can indeed come from individual accomplishment. And it can come from identity with something greater than oneself. Steven, your perspective strikes me as far too narrow; and your view of history, as historically presented in this country, as simply the transmittal of "our cultural heritage" (while alternative versions are "alternatives" or worse) strikes me as disingenuous or naive. Tom Powers Professor of History The University of South Carolina at Sumter TPOWERS@USCSUMTER.USCSU.SCAROLINA.EDU ----------------- Message: 912 To: athena-discuss@info.harpercollins.com From: Kwesi Otabil Subject: Nature of Debate Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 19:55:28 -0700 B.NATURE OF DEBATE I I previously argued what the debate is, or has been, ABOUT. But what makes the debate what it IS (i.e., singular, apparently inconclusive, yet ever alluring)? `The Chronicle of Higher Education', in its Lefkowitz feature March 1996, reported her anticipation of dialogue as a positive outcome of NOA, if nothing else. Well, such dialogue as there indeed were on this list would credit Lefkowitz with remarkable prescience. (`Remarkable', because classicists usually have their backs turned to the future.) But there is NO dialogue proper; only a mock one at them most. What we have really is FRONTIER WARFARE; but warfare not between `classicists' and `near-orientalists', or Afrocentrists and Eurocentrists, or canon-devotees and multiculturalists. Those elements or schools do have their respect plays, undeniably. But the plays are mere flourishes, punctuations, and deflections. The basic, epic engagement, by contrast, is one of conflict amongst WORLDS: Western, African, and Arab/Semitic (or roughly, Asiatic). The theater of conflict is the Nile Valley, with Km.t as the epicenter. Now, the Bernal/Lefkowitz affair is only a belated episode in this secular epic, and a fluffy one to boot. It owes its semblance of glamour mostly to timing and circumstance: culture skirmishes (in the US), and advanced communications technology (ensuring broad exposure, as with the Net). Think of it: although Harpercollins created Athena purposely to stimulate debate on BA/NOA, negligibly few postings have toed the line. Moreover, neither Bernal nor Lefkowitz has put in a word--yet. They sparred briefly on the Harpercollins home page, which was, incidentally, closed quite some time ago. In any case, the sparring was primarily about mutual reviews and rejoinders, and tangentially about what we are about on this. As it were, then, Bernal and Lefkowitz might approximate to warring commanders who dispatch their troops into mutual slaughter, while they retire to a safe remove from the theater. Yet, for all the comic relief the analogy brings, it still underscores my point about the episodic character of the BA/NOA showdown. The clash is mightily overdetermined by the frontier warfare. It is, however, a warfare not of attrition, but of progressive invigoration. Few may tire and retire. But many are the enthusiasts and recruits, ever ready to join battle, whether the battle be deflection (into parochial culture wars), or rehearsal of deja vu (as with the so-called Aryan vs. Ancient models). It is, in effect, warfare that fortifies; and this fact accounts for its singularity. An intriguing question arises, nevertheless. How do the various actors or agents get into the theater? What brings classicists, orientalists, Kemiticists, Euros, and Afros, etc into mutual entanglement over and around Km.t in particular, and the Nile Valley in general? Conversely, what makes for the species to kind relationship with the larger, secular epic? There is one tempting answer, namely, that the players come in as ordained parties. By `parties', I mean that they are unconditionally beholden to preset world-specific interests and/or agenda. But that answer still begs the question of why and how those particular parties should represent their worlds in the theater, parties which are at any rate not unanimous within one world. Surely, not all classicists, orientalists, etc are interested in Km.t (or the Valley). Nor do they care evenly about Graeco-Kemetic relations. That the answer appears inadequate, though, does not negate the epic compass to the debate. The warfare is widely attested in historiography. And our current involvement, albeit manifestly irresolvable, may yet add a touch of chronicle to historiography, long after the dust will have settled. The question can be better handled, I think, through the uncovering of a crucial, yet somewhat elusive dimension to the warfare. And that is the pull of Km.t, not only as epicenter, but more impactfully as a high stake. The duality thus establishes Km.t (and the Valley at large) as THE frontier, not simply as a theater. Correspondingly, the skirmishes and other non-descript encounters amount to struggles for the soul of Km.t. It follows, too, all those involved are inescapably partisan, although perhaps with varying degrees of fervor. It is thanks to the same dimension that one can discern sharper forms within the broad families of actors, such as hellenists (within `classicism'), and semiticists (within orientalism). The coveted soul of Km.t likewise yields categories like `Afro-Asiatic', `Mediterranean', `Hamitic'--all crude inventions of ethnology, geology, and mythology which are inducted with stealth into historiography. Mutilations, collusions, and hyphenations vie as the sharper breed strive for shares. Forces of Loot rush in, as carvers and molders hasten to refashion the shares with a view to the `re-discovery' of a lost world. Thus, thanks to semiticism, Km.t suddenly ends up scooped and lifted into the `Near-East' or `Middle East', either of which being yet another of those befuddling concoctions. [I have often mused over how distastefully `Egypt and the Near East' analogizes with `women and minorities': just as Km.t gets surreptitiously orientalized in the process, so does `minorities' come to subsume `women', thus mopping up the erstwhile absurdity of minorities' being single sex.] By the same token, one may come to realize that the BA/NOA clash is, on scrutiny, a sweetheart Eurasian, helleno-semiticist, hence classicist- orientalist done deal. For long, however, the stock-trading on Km.t has been conducted at the exclusion of Africa. The ostensible reason lies in the infamous Occident-Orient dichotomy. With the globe polarized exlusively around the dichotomy, it is logical that all else be subsumed be either pole. But the `all else' is made to fall to the Orient, because the Occident is (valued as) superlatively exclusive, and by implication ever self-same. Hence, whereas there are peddled such constructs as Near-East, Middle-East, and Far-East, there are no equivalents like Near-West, Middle-West, or Far-West. (Sure, `Mid-West' and `Far-West' exist, but only as action-hero derivatives of Yankee frontierism.) The stated unevenness undermines the ostensible reason for the exclusion of Africa. For orientalism is a Western creation-myth creature: it services the foundational makings of Westernism. So, with `all else' consigned to the Orient, and stock interest in Km.t (and the Valley) forever keen, what more effective ploy than the collapse of K.mt (and parts of the Valley) into the lap of the Orient? Identified now as near-oriental, now as mid-oriental, and now as mediterranean, Km.t is simultaneously orphaned and endowed with new-fangled genealogy. Orphanage foments questions about its racial identity: Was Km.t Black, African, or OF Africa? New-fangled genealogy yields `Afro-Asia', and initiates the semiticist wave of interest and appropriation. The interest basically is in how much Kemetic culture or civilization owes to Asia Minor, not in how substantively African it is. Consequently, the `Afro' in `Afro-Asia' becomes a virtual reality: it is fluffy, even somewhat delusory. "Asiatic-Africa' says and does it far better; `better', in the sense of exorcising the delusion. What counts inferentially, yet insidiously, is Africa's debt to the outsider; I mean the part of Africa that can be tied, per philology and all other conceivable -ologies, to Asia Minor. This in effect licenses the stock view that Km.t is IN, but not OF, Africa. It is in Africa, only by the accident of geography; no more. Its soul lies elsewhere. It is at this juncture that the precise fit of *Black Athena* comes up appraisal. Bernal, in the preface to Vol.I, discloses the motives behind his project, namely, a desire to return to his Jewish roots. The obvious question is: what does `Blackness' have to with the return. Since the release of the volume, and following the racial furor stirred by it, he has reportedly regretted the title. His original title had been `African Athena', one learns, but had been coaxed (or pressed?) by the publisher into a sex-change for `Black Athena'. Whether based on fact or regressive hearsay, the report rings a bit hollow, to me. If the original title was `African Athena', then what could plausibly have been the subtitle? Recall that the main thesis is about the `afro-asiatic roots of ancient Greek civilization'. So I am simply wondering how those roots would have been conceptualized or designated, short of the uncontentious, redundant, `African roots of....'. Moreover, it is highly probable that `African' could have all too easily denoted, or been decoded into, `North Africa', which is classically/traditionally viewed as caucasoid, europoid, or simply mediterranean. And `[south] mediterranean Athena' would have been too insipid a thesis or title to fetch the kind of controversial, scholarly glow around `Black Athena' to which our current ado testifies. For all those reasons I discount the `African Athena' reportage. If the title had at all been tabled, it might have been with attenuated candor. For an even more sinister I reason, I still am uncomfortable with the Bernal project. He contends in Vol.I that while pre-dynastic Km.t may have been radically marked by indigenous African culture, dynastic Km.t owes much to Mesopotamian (hence Asiatic) cultural infusions; and such borrowings would have been brought over by Semitic peoples. In effect, Kemetic civilization proper is not an indigenous creation. Such contention is potential ferment for a project of its own; i.e., the Asiatic (or Semitic) roots of Kemetic civilization. Why he did not undertake it directly is beyond me. Was it by political calculation? Still beyond me. What is not (beyond me) is the manoeuvering that perchance inadvertently surrenders Semiticism virtually to Westernism. The thesis of alien origination (of Kemetic civilization) is not new, at all. It dates back to MacIver and Thomson, roughly at the turn of the 20th century. So, in a sense, Bernal may have been serving the Aryan cause much against his benevolence. Doubtless, these cudgels would have been needless, if he had simply settled for `Semitic Athena'. The latter would have been a frontal assault on Aryanism, and correspondingly spared Africa the proxy burden. But, Semiticism is not the sole beneficiary of the cobbled genealogy. Westernism, too, does--in the guise of Hellenism, and by extension Latinism. This rests on the `mediterranean' supposal. If Km.t was inherently a mediterranean culture/nation, then it must have shared kinship with other `mediterranean peoples', like the Greeks, Romans, Iberians, and North Africans. This would legitimize, say, the Western expropriation of the OBELISK, what I personally consider to be the signifier extraordinaire of Kemetik cosmology and ingenuity, and second in heritage worth only to MAAT. Now apart from the self-serving, thievish logic to the mediterranean doctrine, hinted at in my earlier positng, there is also a very embarrassing oddity about `North Africans'. Those on the continent who are sneakily co-opted into the caucasoid family were mostly colonists (Phoenicians), nomadic desert invaders (Saracens), and other riff-raff. They also made their entry just about the time that (i) Km.t was approaching exhaustion (Phoenicia, 10 century BCE) or (ii) totally non-existent as a living culture (Saracen ascendancy, 7th century CE). Lastly, and most sobering, the `Africa' in North Africa is semantically void, since latter-day inhabitants at least tend to swear off Africanness. So, in this bid of sordid expropriation, too, one witnesses the flirt of beggarly scholarship (historiography) with the butt-naked will to piracy. Km.t as `mediterranean' annuls Africa for the benefit of the West, just as Km.t qua Afro-Asiatic demotes or throttles Africa, with the accrued booty split between Semiticists and Hellenists/Latinists. The entry of Afrocentrists marks a riotous rupture of the sweetheart deal, precisely because it obtrudes into view and debate the Africa that has been classically evacuated, mutilated, or pilfered. This no doubt explains all the furor, indignation, from both orientalists and classicists, Egyptologists, as well as the traditional student of ancientry. For an eloquent illustration, let me cite the sparring between Ayele Bekerie and Peter Daniels earlier on, in this discussion. Prima facie, the clash was over disciplinary protocol and methodology. Deep down, it turned on frontier legitimation. Ayele is an Abyssinian, but one who is fiercely and unrepentantly African--at least by open avowal. Whether by teleguided indoctrination or by willful election, the average Abyssinian has long disclaimed Africanness, and staked Semitic (Asiatic) heritage, tracing his/her lineage all the way back to KING SOLOMON'S SPERM. [This incidentally shows how Afro-Asiatism can work to subvert Africa, and why Asiatic-Africa seems a more appropriate category.] So, here we have an Abyssinian, seemingly ill-given to alien mythology, squaring off with a supine Orientalist who thrives on x-rated mythology and foul geography, and who presumes to lecture the former by invoking the might of pawn-shop authority! I will not go into the Diop cruxifiction here; it deserves a separate treatment. Let me only say, in passing, that I do not personally consider him as an Afrocentrist, in the conventional sense, howevermuch he may have been co- opted by the rally. He was a Kemeticist, no doubt. But he also quested after MAAT, with all the vigor and integrity of his rationalist will. And it is such will that I share solemnly, without apology. Indeed, the more he is calumniated by classicists, orientalists, and others, the more I shall be confirmed in my commitment. After all, on the matter of Km.t qua frontier, I have found damned little to give me faith in the Academy, except spite, for the most part; spite especially for those who peddle sanctities about the tattered `science(s) of Man'. Now, even though I find in Diop what the average Afrocentrist does not, and so by orientation derogate from the Afrocentric core, I do applaud their (Afrocentrists') bid at indirectly uncovering the hoax of the Occident-Orient rift, or its obverse--the sweetheart collusion. Interest in Km.t is not going to dissipate, this side of the frontier. And that means that, so long as there are Kemeticists still in breath, the dyed-in-the-wool `Egyptologist' can no longer presume to come rampaging through the Valley like a castrated elephant. Put otherwise, the frontier can no longer be taken for granted as pushable, collapsable, or displaceable ad libitum. If the past six weeks of Athena are any indication, it is brutally that the Kemeticists are no pushovers: they will not be brow-beaten or silenced with echolalia. I have of course assumed the presence of Kemeticists on this list, visible participants as well as lurkers. And I base the assumption on the tenor and orientation of certain participants. I could be wrong, granted; still, the error would not quash the frontier thesis. Note, too, that this thesis is irreconcilable with the two-camp postulate (Meadows). As argued above, there is more at stake on Athena than Afro vs. Euro cheerleading. With that in perspective, then, let me point out, and counterpoise, certain pitfalls in the various discursive rapports with the frontier, rapports premised on the state of the question. These pitfalls pertain to the three categories: 1.WORLD 2.ANTIQUITY 3.MODEL I will sign off for now, and resume with the pitfalls in my next posting. Regards, Kwesi Otabil The Neo-Maat Institute [PS: My criticism of Bernal is not meant to belittle his scholarship, I should point out. I respect his intellect, admire his erudition, and salute his moral courage. I will, however, not let my respect overshadow my assessment of his frontier involvement. I won't.] -------------------------------------

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