Posted by KC Elbows on January 23, 2003 at 14:19:01:
In Reply to: Re: Hard cold facts: Still jealous that you never got the chance... posted by Kramer on January 23, 2003 at 13:17:29:
'What you just did was to attack communication of the entire human race. Even all other martial arts and all religions.'
You are seriously out there. I've attacked communication? Because I make a distinction between numinous references in fiction and using sensationalism to sell things?[patiently waits for moo to flip through his dictionairy]
'For example, people believe and talk about the miracles Jesus.'
Do you mean 'the miracles of Jesus', John?
Your example has nothing substantial to do with the communication of mankind, or martial artists, and has more to do with religion than the communication of religion, which is what you claim I am offending.
See, communication is getting an idea across. You might try it some time. If the idea you are trying to get across is that sacrifice and humility are essential for mankind's spiritual growth, the Christ story is an effective way of COMMUNICATING that idea. However, you're not really talking about that.
However, you are inferring that Kim is a Christ like figure, by using that defense. Or at least, numinous in effect. Which seems rather supportive of the whole idea that the moo is rather cult like.
To further illustrate, Jesus, in saying 'give unto caesar', demonstrated a great deal. What does Kim's kum gong sul bope demonstrate? That he can do the miraculous. Now, Jesus' miracles all serve some purpose related to the christian faith. Kim's just exist to demonstrate that he is miraculous, but serve no deep purpose. That's assuming they are true, which would make the moo a belief system, a religion, and quite likely, a cult.
So, while I am not a christian, I recognize the intrinsic quality to the imagery and verses that relate to christians the trials and acts of christ. However, while I am not a moo, I see no intrinsic quality to the supposed miracles of Kim that might make them anything more than smoke blowing up the butts of moos, butts which, I might add, stick out way too far in stance work.
'What you just did was to attack communication of the entire human race. Even all other martial arts and all religions.'
Please, explain how that makes any sense? Because others use imagery, Kim's use of imagery becomes anything more than the work of a hack and a liar? Rediculous.
'Just not happy enough with what you do? Besides, you are not talking from principle, just arguing to argue.'
Whichever answer you wish to believe. The fact is, I believe there is another moo that Kim is but a footnote in, and forms like tang nan are but a crude glimpse of its future. I just happen to be in the position to document it. And you happen to, as usual, be trying to prevent me from seeing the entirety of the truth. So you must be moved out of the way.