Posted by Nick aka John C ''Iron Pyrite'' Kim on February 14, 2003 at 19:03:01:
In Reply to: Can someone PLEASE explain posted by QUESTION? on February 14, 2003 at 18:15:25:
Why O_YD schools continue to prosper and grow if what they are offering is so bad? I mean come on. Last January you guys were making claims that the exodus in MA and FL was going to ruin O_YD. A year later and their are just as many schools as there were and I heard there are more schools going up.
Nick Sez---------> Well, you know, there's a sucker born every minute
::So what's the deal? I mean do you guys even know what you are talking about? If O_YD is so bad then why are their schools filled? How are they able to recover from the losses they have taken over the last 10 years. These are good questions that alot of us want answers to if you expect us to take you seriously.
Nick sez-------> They excell at conning people, plain and simple.
::Another thing. Why is it that so many of you have different stories regarding O_YD?
Lord Nick Sez---> Because we are differnet people, trained at different times at different schools. some of us have been exposed to real quality martial arts and can clearly see the major deficiencies in OYD. Others have not experiaced real martial arts yet. All are at different stages of recovery. Thos who recognise the fact that OYD is complete CRAP are cured. Those that still hold out that the ''Art'' is good are still on the journy.
:Some of you say it was good training but the business practices drove you away. Others say it is the worst thing since spam. Which is it fellows?
God, why do I bother------------> Simple, the buisness practices drive them away, and later they learn the art itself is total shit to the core.
::Why is it that the only ones posting on these sites who is consistent is O_YD. They all say see for yourselves. I agree!
Reply) Because Kim tells them what to say. the Anti moo can think for themselves, and explain their own situations for them selves IE-----> different stories as opposed to the company cookie cutter posts.
::I am a student of O_YD and I enjoy my training.
Nick Sez-> Yup, I did too till I was properly educated in it's complete useless crappiness
::Am I worried about the tax case?
Nick sez----> Yo should be, the same guys are in charge. Oh, BTW if you read those court documents, you will see Taxes were a minor part of the equasion. It's just all they could get them on, like Al Capone
:If I was an owner I may be. Am I worried about not learning anyhting of value? PLEASE!
Nick---> You should be. You are being taught a comletely FAKE art, and being sold as if it was the ultimate combat art. I could teach you some sort of modern performing art too. It would be the same damm thing.
You guys don't even operate your own schools.
Nick----> So, Who cares, I made $850,000 last year tradeing Futures. That was AFTER TAXES. Besides, what does runing a martial arts school have to do wiht martial arts knowledge? Some of the best martial artists in the Chicago area don't have schools at all. They have basement, parks and sometimes the use of a local HS wreslting room. I don't even teach, and I know more tha nyou or all your teachers put together.
::All of the information you guys post can be found in a book.
Jhhhhhheeeeesh------>Boks are great things, don't get me wrong, but I was schooled the old fashion way, through Hard as hell Kung Fu combat training. I fought bare knuckle challenges testing what I was taught. What have you done? Practiced a bunch of silly pre arranged two man drills that are forever untested? If you would go through what ''I'' did, you would see how completly dumb your '''Skills'' are.
Anyway, try and stick with the facts so someone will take you seriously!
Nick asks-----> HAve you seen the court files posted at Yahoo? They are scanned copies of proginal documents, many of them notarised. You say stick with the facts?? Well there you go.