Posted by , on August 02, 2003 at 18:07:16:
In Reply to: Oh I see posted by You will state my thoughts for me.... how nice on August 02, 2003 at 16:19:41:
'These guys aren't 'seniors' to most of the discuss group
members and never were. They were assistants to assistants by the time many had moved on to better things.'
YOUR NON SEQUITOR REPLY: [Oh I see, so you progressed to a point they never could have reached, left and they didn't progress any. Must've been because you were't there it didn't happen. Where have I heard that before?]'
Progression in OYD is regression from CMQ, therefore if they are still in, they have accepted worse habits than their originally faulty ones, whereas I have moved to applicable valid ones that are tested, as opposed to the moo, where they are untested. Most of the ranking members still in the moo have less experience in martial arts than most of the discuss group members, and all of them lack years of training in a school that expects their students to apply their art martially in every class from the day they join and forevermore.
So, the fact is that no one in the moo has the right to consider themselves senior to anyone who has tested themselves this way. Since the particular moos we're talking about were not ahead of the discuss group in the line in many cases, but were bowing UP to members of said group, and since the members of the discuss group now have a wider base in arts that are actually proven, whereas the moos merely have rearranged versions of the same forms they had before(and the members of the discuss group had, and now consider low level), then progression in the moo is immaterial to the discussion, because progression in the moo is merely a ranking structure designed for material purposes, and completely unrelated, and more often than not counter, to any real representation of wisdom, skill, or martial ability.
So essentially, if the people we are talking about moved to the point I was at when I left, and then continued with the curriculum, they have wasted their time if wisdom, mental strength, physical strength, or martial abilities were among their goals. By this criterion, the further they progress in mindless worhip of a man who doesn't even practice consistently, and never taught consistently, the further they are from anything I would consider senior to myself or others I've met in this debate. Simple as that.