Posted by Captains of Industry on October 21, 2003 at 08:02:59:
In Reply to: Re: You are Funny posted by . on October 20, 2003 at 18:26:52:
In Reply to: Re: You are Funny posted by Royal Dragon on October 20, 2003 at 09:34:12:
The jews were genrally kicked out by bigotry using political leverage in order to get the deed done.
Reply- Actually, this isn't totally accurate. According to a friend who was involved in processing the detainment and deportation of many of the undesireables in Depression Era Europe, at least that exodus was encouraged by statute of organized countries. Some of the secondary motivations were a little suspect or unsavory'
Also US business was encouraged to invest in these countries and some very prominent US families had substantial investments in companies that enabled these efforts (Rockefeller et al) or actually helped with the management and/or logistics issues of supplying gainful employment for those people (Bush, Walker, Silesean Consolidated et al).
It wasn't until later, during WWII that a few such as Bush were prosecuted for their roles in companies that used 'concentration camp labor' for profit and to strengthen the ordnance and munitions might of Industrial Europe.
The Dianetics leadership was kicked out because they failed to conform to existing laws.
Reply-As were the marginal members of socieies and entrence subcultures in Depression Era Europe (above)
True, I did not initially clarify this, but the truth is that the scientology experience in europe was hardly one of persecution.
Like I said before, one mans persecution is anothers enactment of due process for cause.
Interesting note- dianetics claims to be science, but surrounds the dianetics experience and history with religious inferences, developing a mythology, etc, then
members say 'it's not that far fetched, not any more than the bible', totally missing the point that they're claiming to be a science, and trying to undermine real science
with their gobbldygook(engrams and galactic overlords, oh my!) all while clearly recognizing that they're ideas are religious in nature.
Reply- Don't know much about this, but the first 2 books on Dianetics seemed fairly straightforward and didn't require beliefs in undemonstable premises to understand.
Not a bad read, BTW
The moo claims to be martial arts but it's got a historical persecution complex(the media conspired with the IRS, not our fault!), and when people criticize their
outlandish stories, they say 'it's no more outlandish than christianity'. Well, perhaps not, but christianity has no confusion about what it is, and thus it has numinous
references that have a logical place in their belief structure. The moo has numinous references that have no place unless the moo is a religion, or an attempt at one,
like a personality cult.
Thank the heavens that Kim never wrote a book that John Travolta could play the leading role of in the a movie. Hubbard's books are only marginally superior to
blue lit. He was always considered a hack.
Reply-I could be wrong bu I don't think that Kim wrote the blue lit, A lot of it seems to be based on a close observer talking with him and trying to assemble an informational flyer for marketing purposes.
This could also likely be the source of such popular misconceptions that Chung Moo is actually eight seperate martial arts styles and others.
There is a story about Hubbard, Asimov, and Frank Herbert betting on who could create the most intriguing idea for a religion. Aasimov supposedly made the
Foundation books off of his idea. Herbert created Dune. Hubbard made Scientology. Two of those ideas yielded good books, the last yielded a supposed science
without any substantial testing or lab work. No idea who won the bet, or if the story is true.
Reply- That's interesting. I had heard something of this story once too. Some interesting, though provoking work seems to have been the result of that contest.
But I digress.