Posted by KC Elbows on October 23, 2002 at 07:18:57:
All right, last installment of the dedogi chronicles, explaining how the moo techniques, as taught in the oom yung doe schools, just don't seem that superior.
Now, a lot of the moos(or at least one repeatedly, which is not exactly beyond the pale around here) keep blathering about how I really don't understand the movements, and how I have a first or second section's understanding of the movements as opposed to a first degrees, which I find odd, as the first installment featured some posts from a student that sounded to be around second or third section, possibly higher, and he did not know there were ANY serious applications(which, frankly, is good for him, it'll only make it easier for a real teacher of martial arts to help him when he's done with the moo). Now, this being the case, I think it's safe to assume that either these detractors have no real knowledge, or they have a vested interest in the schools appearing to be the end all be all of martial arts.
As for the last application, this one is a doozy. The way it is shown, the defender is being attacked by two ravenous, yet mysteriously ineffective crack heads. One at the side, and one at the front. The defender goes back as is the norm with dedogi, and blocks a face level attack from the opponent at the side. The block is going to the rear, then circling forward, which means that now the attacker at the side is having his face level attack blocked, and swung around so that he can conveniently attempt a ridge hand to the defender's neck.
Now, at least on a very simple and theoretical level, this ridgehand MIGHT miss, as the defender will be moving his torso and head forward, but this can only occur if the attacker exists on a theoretical alternate plane filled with syrup, or if he is at the bottom of the ocean. However, this still entails that the defender must not be under the physical constraints of the attacker. In this scenario, moo techniques are probably all you would need, as you would be mostly waiting for the pressure from the ocean to cause bends and worse in the attacker.
Barring such an attacker, the defender gets clocked while moving into the direction that the attack is coming from, and the attacker can then attack the defender's rear without any sign of defense from the defender, who apparently just blocks and then turns his back on the attacker, perhaps relying on the ocean's pressure to finish the job(which explains ocean form pretty well).
Now, after getting clocked, the defender shifts forward to deal with an oncoming kick from an attacker who needs lessons in coordinating a two person assault. In addition, the defender has had his forward movement slowed by being clocked by the first attacker(unless the first attacker was in the alternate syrup earth or under very localized conditions similar to the ocean bottom), so, in order to hope to defend, the defender again needs an attacker who is under a localized high pressure event. Barring this Saganesque possibility, the defender will get kicked, and his chung may very well be disrupted by this, if it isn't disrupted by the rear attack the defender has left himself open towards.
This is what they teach at oom yung doe, you ask? Well, now they apparently teach even less, as the only reliable posts from a lower belt do not display one application, much less four. In fact, that lower belt was absolutely correct, if you must use dedogi, use it as a flexibility exercise. And drop the block sequence, as it's flawed.
That's the end of this installment. Get ready for the posts by 'higher belts' on how I have only such and such understanding. Notice how they will not actually be able to technically debunk anything I'm saying. They'll just say they can. Just like they say they can fight.
And now they've begun on Tom McGee, calling him a bad apple and such. Tom was a nutcase, but he was also the perfect definition of a true believer in John C. Kim. In fact, I've never met anyone else so fanatically devoted to Kim. McGee WAS the Chicago schools, and as soon as he was gone, the schools fell apart. They could never find anyone else who the students considered as much a fighter, and he could have been so much better under any other system. McGee is the perfect representation of a martial prodigy wasted on bunk.
The rest of you true believers take note. See how quickly the higher belts turn on each other. Want to be an instructor? Good luck. All the good ones leave, and are slandered once they're gone.
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