Posted by You Know Who on February 03, 2003 at 07:13:35:
In Reply to: Re: a work-in-progress timeline of moo history-Part 2 posted by You know who on February 03, 2003 at 07:06:27:
2001 ? Royal Dragon contacts Lee Brothers of Hwa Rang Doe to inquire about a connection to Kim due to rummurs of them being involved with Kim's school in the early days, and rumors they were often seen entering and leaving his school in California Lee Brother' comment limited to 'We NO LONGER discuss THAT individual,' confirming a connection. The hostility of the response indicates a very negative former relationship with John C. Kim .
2001 Dec Boston, Orlando, Tampa Most of the schools in these areas severed ties with 0YD Finacial devastion of the inner circle's income. Time to go work a day job. Also, the beginning of rogue schools as a force in chung moo quan.
2001 mid-year All schools Students/instructors begin to openly question the benefits and promises of the Sae Gae Chung Doe smeinars As some students/instructors reach having attended their required amount of seminars, and not achieving 'miraculous abilities', the inner circle backpeddles to say that they never promised miraculous abilities, but rather improved abilities, oops. Many students/instructors say enough is enough, and say soyanora Kim, 0YD & the rest.
2002 Jan All Remaining Schools International Degree Program is started. Students begin 'higher level' training, which is a new way for the schools to fleece more money for Kim.
2002 Online Humiliation Fan appears online. Essentially a one trick pony, the Humiliation Fan character's sole function is to say that the anti-moos are humiliated, whether this appears true or not. The former instructors quickly come to the consensus that Humiliation Fan is actually David Hughes. The idea that nationals are actually posting as a number of members gains some validity
2002 Online- Asian Pacific Table Talk The online character PUCK, supposedly a pro moo in no way affiliated with Oom Yung Doe, is caught in a fumble by KC Elbows. Despite claims of separation from Chung Moo Quan, very early posts by PUCK find him claiming to be an eight year practitioner of Chung Moo Quan/Oom Yung Doe, and high ranking. Early posts by PUCK also mention obscure instructors with extreme detail to their reasons for leaving Chung Moo Quan, as well as a familiarity with forms from Chung Moo Quan. The idea that higher belts come onto forums and pose as unbiased observers in order to try to discredit the anti-moos is shown to be true.
2002 Inner Circle Tom Martin Hnat's wife dies of cancer Proves that Kim will not or can not cure cancer, despite his claims to be able to do so..
2002 Online The Martial Arts Network(TMAN) closes due to constant spamming involving slurs against the anti moos. Fighting is confined for an extended period to Asian Pacific Table Talk
2002 March Online In response to fanatical supporters of Oom Yung Doe claiming that he never was in chung moo quan, that he did not know martial arts, and alternately claiming that his arts were poor, KC Elbows issued an open challenge for any moo to come up to KC and cross hands. Friendly challenges would be met in a friendly way. Kim's fanatics attempted to parlay this into a stance that KC Elbows is all about fighting. The argument, like all the plans of Kim's fanatics, is only effective on avid, non-critical, moos.
2002-March Online Royal Dragon invites KC Elbows to the Dragon's Dungeon Total Chaos- KC Elbows becomes involved in the debate against the moo when initially, on Kung Fu Magazine's forum, he was in defense of them. Minor criticisms raised on the dungeon brought vehement slander from a group of fanatics in support of Kim, settling at once the question 'just how harmful can these people be?'
2002 April 22 Kansas City The only pro moo to have taken up KC Elbows on his open challenge proves to be a no show Shock. Surprise. Something like that.
April Minnesota Minneapolis City Pages publishes The Dark Side of The Moo Closer of the Lake Street School